31 The statement recorded by Otto Strasser in his book Hitler and I is sometimes queried for reasons of some weight; see for example Manvell and Fraenkel, Goebbels. Helmut Heiber has given the most intelligible version of the incident in The Early Goebbels Diaries, referring to the testimony of Hans Hinkel, a former colleague of the Strasser brothers. According to this, Goebbels no doubt made this remark, though probably not, as Strasser assures us, in a public speech, but in conversation with other people at the meeting.